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		<title>Tories, Lib Dem, Labour, what&#8217;s the difference</title>
		<link>http://dundeessp.org/blog/2010/02/02/tories-lib-dem-labour-whats-the-difference/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 18:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you have discussed politics in the last 12 years and you will have undoubtably heard a comparison to Labour and the Tories that resulted in someone saying they are just the same. You may have even heard it go one step further and a description of Labour as Blue Labour instead of New Labour. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you have discussed politics in the last 12 years and you will have undoubtably heard a comparison to Labour and the Tories that resulted in someone saying they are just the same.</p>
<p>You may have even heard it go one step further and a description of Labour as <q>Blue</q> Labour instead of New Labour.</p>
<p>Well the Lib Dems have went one further and <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/newsnight/michaelcrick/2010/02/lib_dems_hijack_tory_blue.html">re-branded themselves in blue</a>.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;ve been saying for years that Labour, Tories and Lib Dems are all the same &#8211; it&#8217;s good to see one of those parties agree with you.</p>
<p>The <acronym title="Scottish Socialist Party">SSP</acronym> of course are a bit different. We don&#8217;t get donations from millionaire businessmen &#8211; so aren&#8217;t in their pocket. Our elected representatives take a reduced wage and as far as we know none ever had the public purse pay for building work on their castle.</p>
<p>In Dundee West we are of course aware of the cost of a DVD player and that computer desks shouldn&#8217;t cost you £800.</p>
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		<title>You call this radical?</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 17:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David Cameron has been all over the press today with his sweeping radical reforms as he likes to call them. These include: seriously consider[ing] the possibility of fixed-term parliaments reducing the number of MPs by 10% Text alerts on progression of Bills. More publication of expenses possible curbs on the whipping of votes backbenchers would [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8067505.stm">David Cameron</a> has been all over the press today with his sweeping radical reforms as he likes to call them.</p>
<p>These include:</p>
<ul>
<li><q>seriously consider[ing]</q> the possibility of fixed-term parliaments</li>
<li>reducing the number of <acronym title="Members of Parliament">MP</acronym>s by 10%</li>
<li>Text alerts on progression of Bills.</li>
<li>More publication of expenses</li>
<li>possible curbs on the whipping of votes</li>
<li>backbenchers would get powers to choose the chairmen and members of select committees</li>
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<p>These, he claims, will <q>transfer power from the state to the people</q>. Sounds good, unless you realise this is a man who <a href="http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/division.php?date=2005-11-09&#038;number=85&#038;mpn=David_Cameron&#038;mpc=Witney&#038;house=commons">voted for people to be detained by the state without charge for 28 days</a>.</p>
<p>So lets look at the list:</p>
<h2><q>seriously <strong>consider[ing]</strong></q> the <strong>possibility</strong> of fixed-term parliaments.</h2>
<p>Not only is it a pitiful reform but it is surrounded by two weasily non-commital caveats. Why not fixed numbers of terms for <acronym title="Members of Parliament">MP</acronym>s if you want to fix terms? (The <acronym title="Scottish Socialist Party">SSP</acronym> voted for 2 terms at our conference a number of years back)</p>
<h2>reducing the number of <acronym title="Members of Parliament">MP</acronym>s by 10%</h2>
<p>In a parliament which is a representative type this makes the body <strong>less</strong> accountable, not more.</p>
<h2>Text alerts on progression of Bills.</h2>
<p>Post a reply if you can name one Bill currently going through parliament.</p>
<p>Yep, thought not.</p>
<p>The <a href="http://services.parliament.uk/bills/">bills are available here</a> if you wish to see.</p>
<h2>More publication of expenses</h2>
<p>Long overdue, but whilst <acronym title="Members of Parliament">MP</acronym>s make the rules they then defend themselves by not breaking it is toothless and purely populist.</p>
<h2><strong>possible</strong> curbs on the whipping of votes</h2>
<p>How exactly would this be enforceable? Notice again the weasely caveat.</p>
<h2>backbenchers would get powers to choose the chairmen and members of select committees</h2>
<p>Well hold me back, that is exactly the demand being made by everyone on a daily basis, the problem with parliament being the backbenchers don&#8217;t get to choose chairmen of talking shops. Sounds more like throwing a bone to get the support from backbenchers though.</p>
<p>Reforms which were noticeable by their absence included</p>
<ul>
<li>Reducing pay of <acronym title="Members of Parliament">MP</acronym>s or linking to some measure of wages/income. Might we suggest a maximum of 5 times the state pension? Then there might be some action on pensioner poverty.</li>
<li>Abolition of the unelected and undemocratic House of Lords</li>
<li>Abolition of the unelected and undemocratic <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Her_Majesty%27s_Most_Honourable_Privy_Council">Privy Council</a></li>
<li>Recallability of <acronym title="Members of Parliament">MP</acronym>s &#8211; by petition of a percentage of constituents or triggered by voting against election promises or by changing their political affiliation</li>
<li>Proportional Representation &#8211; deliberately excluded by Cameron</li>
<li>Extending the franchise</li>
<li>Overhauling voter registration to remove the current ease to commit fraud with postal vote registration.</li>
</ul>
<p>None of these are revolutionary demands. They are basic reforms which are far more radical than anything Cameron has just dreamed up. Of course further reforms would be a real <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy">democracy</a>, with the parliament chosen by lot, rather than the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligarchy">oligarchy</a> we have now.</p>
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		<title>Snouts in the trough</title>
		<link>http://dundeessp.org/blog/2009/05/12/snouts-in-the-trough/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 18:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>alangdundee</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The media for a week has been full of stories of the outrageous expenses claims by MPs. From tampons (for a man) to moat cleaning there is seemingly no receipt these parasites will not claim for at taxpayers expense. This is not democracy. Democracy is not just crossing a box once every four years, it [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The media for a week has been full of stories of the outrageous <q>expenses</q> claims by <acronym title="Members of Parliament">MPs</acronym>.</p>
<p>From tampons (for a man) to moat cleaning there is seemingly no receipt these parasites will not claim for at taxpayers expense.</p>
<p>This is not democracy.</p>
<div class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 563px"><img alt="David Cameron: Quick, someone grab a receipt, the peasents can pay for this meal" src="http://www.dundeessp.org/i/Tories/OutToLunch.jpg" title="Dinner Party" width="553" height="348" /><p class="wp-caption-text">David Cameron: Quick, someone grab a receipt, the peasents can pay for this meal</p></div>
<p>Democracy is not just crossing a box once every four years, it is also about transparency and accountability.</p>
<div class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 510px"><img alt="If the police won't get involved we'll have to catch the leaker ourselves." src="http://www.dundeessp.org/i/Tories/ShootingParty.jpg" title="If the police won't get involved we'll have to catch the leaker ourselves." width="500" height="293" /><p class="wp-caption-text">If the police won't get involved we'll have to catch the leaker ourselves.</p></div>
<p>The Scottish Socialist Party has a policy we call the <q>Workers Wage</q>. Our elected representatives take home no more than an amount linked to the average wage of working people. This helps keep your elected representatives linked to the life <strong>you</strong> lead &#8211; they know how much a council tax rise affects you because it affects them too.</p>
<p>There is no chance of any of our elected representatives having you pay for their chandeliers or moat cleaning and most don&#8217;t own their first home never mind second, third or gated estate.</p>
<p>Come June the 4th vote for a representative who will be representative of the lives of most people in Scotland &#8211; vote Scottish Socialist Party.</p>
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		<title>Drama in Dundee City Council</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>alangdundee</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Following the Maryfield by election the make-up of Dundee City Council changed. Made up of 29 councillors, the SNP now had 14, one short of a majority and with an even stronger democratic mandate to take power. One independent councillor, Depute Lord Provost Ian Borthwick had previously stated that it was undemocratic for Labour (now [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Following the Maryfield by election the make-up of Dundee City Council changed. Made up of 29 councillors, the <acronym title="Scottish National Party">SNP</acronym> now had 14, one short of a majority and with an even stronger democratic mandate to take power. One independent councillor, Depute Lord Provost Ian Borthwick had previously stated that it was undemocratic for Labour (now 9) the Lib Dems (2) and Tories (3) to exclude the <acronym title="Scottish National Party">SNP</acronym> from the convenership roles and being in charge.</p>
<p>The rumour mill was in full force and all eyes were on Borthwick to see if he would walk the walk having talked the talk. Distracted Dundonians didn&#8217;t expect the resignation of Lord Provost John Letford from the Labour councillors group and the party. This reduced the Labour group of councillors to 8 causing their spokesmen to go into a mud slinging rage.</p>
<p>According to Jim McGovern, Letford has overnight lost all his principles. Ironically he mocks him for previously stating what was at his core &#8211; <q>Labour and the Trade Union Movement</q>. He falsely concludes that because he left Labour this can no longer be true. It may be no longer true, but it is also possible that if he still has this at his core that&#8217;s the very reason he can no longer stay in the Labour Party. Twenty Four hours later his vitriolic attack had changed into the <q>Labour losing an argument</q> position of <q>Draw the line under it and move on</q></p>
<p>Kevin Keenan, leader of the Labour group of councillors flip flopped all week long. From publicly requesting Letfords return to the Labour group (now unprincipled or not) to in desperation trying to hold an olive branch to the <acronym title="Scottish National Party">SNP</acronym> by pledging to support one of their councillors to be made Lord Provost. Whether both these plans could be carried out at the same time was irrelevant, they were pure spin from the Labour group.</p>
<p>Other local Labour members from former councillors Jill Shimi, Chic Farquhar and former rent a quote <acronym title="Member of Parliament">MP</acronym> Ernie Ross were wheeled out to sling mud too.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s interesting about those slinging the mud is only one of them is a Labour councillor. The other seven councillors have been strangely silent on the proposed change in administration.</p>
<p>The last twist in the saga before the council meeting to redraw up power was some claims about an <acronym title="Order of the British Empire">OBE</acronym>. Letford insists Kevin Keenan had urged him to stand down and he would arrange for him to have an <acronym title="Order of the British Empire">OBE</acronym>. A series of denials from those involved make it unclear what actually happened, but this would have been a large carrot to someone Keenan described as <q>the biggest unionist I know</q>. That Letford sees his best chance to be the Queens representative in the city has more chance by supporting the <acronym title="Scottish National Party">SNP</acronym> than it does Labour says something about both of those parties. For Labour it is the final signpost in their demise in the city. For the <acronym title="Scottish National Party">SNP</acronym> it shows how their politics lie on both independence and republicanism if they are making deals with the biggest unionist known to the leader of the Labour Party in order to keep the chains of office.</p>
<p>Ernie Ross had also made the bizarre claim that Labour are a <q>democratic socialist party</q>. Wrong on both counts Mr Ross! Why are the Labour Party fighting over the chains of office rather than trying to break them when in power if either of these propositions were true?</p>
<p>The two independents, Borthwick and Letford were expected to vote with the <acronym title="Scottish National Party">SNP</acronym>, keeping their Depute/Lord Provost roles.</p>
<p>At the council meeting Ian Borthwick proposed to delay the meeting to try and have a majority administration of everyone. Apparently the recession means this is necessary. The issue that flagged up this change was not the economy going in to recession but the Lord Provost resigning from his former party. Seconded by the Tories it was lost to the votes of the <acronym title="Scottish National Party">SNP</acronym> and John Letford.</p>
<p>The <acronym title="Scottish National Party">SNP</acronym> had put forward this idea in 2003 and 2007, as had John Letford in private. Now it looked like the <acronym title="Scottish National Party">SNP</acronym> would be in power, the undemocratic coalition who had kept them out of power and looked like losing it suddenly warmed to the idea.</p>
<p>The <acronym title="Scottish National Party">SNP</acronym> then proposed John Letford and Ian Borthwick for Lord Provost and Depute as expected. Labour countered with a proposal for one of their councillors to be Lord Provost. Their third preference for the position in a week.</p>
<p>The <acronym title="Scottish National Party">SNP</acronym> proposal won through with the support on John Letford with The Tories and Ian Borthwick abstaining.</p>
<p>Immediately all the Labour councillors raised their dissent at the decision. They subsequently opposed the decision to label committees as <q>X Opposition</q> instead of Labour, Lib Democrat etc. It should be pointed out that 20 minutes previously they had demanded the council choose from across the board for the best people for positions but were having trouble with doing that amongst the opposition &#8211; showing how unworkable their proposal was in the first place.</p>
<p>What does this mean for the people of Dundee. Well we have finally removed Labour from office, although at what cost? Look next door to Angus to see the actions of the <acronym title="Scottish National Party">SNP</acronym> in power. They were one of the longest to hold out to the Nursery Nurses and gave one of the worst offers.</p>
<p><del datetime="2009-10-20T18:58:30+00:00">More recently they are attempting to claw back half a days wages from teachers. These teachers left school on an in service day due to the heavy snow. Buses were stopping and schools were closing across Dundee and the surrounding area. People were being advised left and right to get home safely whilst they could. The Council were holding a meeting in Forfar and decided to abandon it and go home as it was too dangerous for them to stay in the town. The teachers in Forfar apparently were in no danger of being stranded and should not have.</del> (see comment below)</p>
<p>Or in other words, as happened in transition nationally between Tories and Labour in 1997, expect no noticeable positive difference.</p>
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		<title>SNP now run Dundee City Council!</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Beating both the BBC and SNP to the news &#8211; the Lord Provost and Depute Lord Provost are staying as John Letford and Ian Borthwick. Borthwick did not vote for himself as Depute! The proposal from SNP for Borthwick and Letford to stay in their roles and the SNP to take convenership roles won 15 [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beating both the <acronym title="British Broadcasting Corporation">BBC</acronym> and <acronym title="Scottish National Party">SNP</acronym> to the news &#8211;  the Lord Provost and Depute Lord Provost are staying as John Letford and Ian Borthwick. Borthwick did not vote for himself as Depute!</p>
<p>The proposal from <acronym title="Scottish National Party">SNP</acronym> for Borthwick and Letford to stay in their roles and the SNP to take convenership roles won 15 votes, the <acronym title="Scottish National Party">SNP</acronym> and John Letford. The Labour proposal with Richard McCready as Lord Provost won 10 votes, Labour and The Liberal Democrats. The Tories and Ian Borthwick abstained.</p>
<p>The people of Dundee can now look forward to an even more anti-trade union administration than the discredited former regime.</p>
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